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		By: Vinnie MacIssac		</title>
		<link>https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-164</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 22:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-163&quot;&gt;sonjadewitt&lt;/a&gt;.

I wouldn&#039;t say God was pretending with Moses. I&#039;d say, God was provoking Moses to act like Jesus. Moses reflected God in being willing to die for his people. If you ask me that sounds pretty much like God bringing Moses to his will, via Prayer. 
I do however, concur that Prayer empowers God by yielding free will, and grants access to the Holy Spirit to work. I see it more like if I pray for Sonja, God may not evade her free will, but rather act on mine. God needs permission to act not because He is powerless but because he loves our free will and will not violate it. From a human point of view that can look like God did what I asked for, but really, God Did what God wanted to do, but refused to violate human will.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-163">sonjadewitt</a>.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say God was pretending with Moses. I&#8217;d say, God was provoking Moses to act like Jesus. Moses reflected God in being willing to die for his people. If you ask me that sounds pretty much like God bringing Moses to his will, via Prayer.<br />
I do however, concur that Prayer empowers God by yielding free will, and grants access to the Holy Spirit to work. I see it more like if I pray for Sonja, God may not evade her free will, but rather act on mine. God needs permission to act not because He is powerless but because he loves our free will and will not violate it. From a human point of view that can look like God did what I asked for, but really, God Did what God wanted to do, but refused to violate human will.</p>
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		By: sonjadewitt		</title>
		<link>https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-163</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 21:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi,

Interesting blog.  A thoughtful take on a very complex topic.  I certainly agree that that is ONE of the functions of prayer. But I think the Bible shows that sometimes prayer DOES change God&#039;s mind.  I could give multiple examples.  I know that some of those can be explained away by saying that God was just pretending he was planning (for example) to kill all the Israelites and make Moses&#039; descendants into a new Israel.  That may be true.  But I think our prayers allow God to do things he could not otherwise do.  Have you read the novels of Frank Perretti?  They&#039;re all about what he calls &quot;prayer cover.&quot;  Obviously not scripture, but I think there&#039;s a lot of wisdom in that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Interesting blog.  A thoughtful take on a very complex topic.  I certainly agree that that is ONE of the functions of prayer. But I think the Bible shows that sometimes prayer DOES change God&#8217;s mind.  I could give multiple examples.  I know that some of those can be explained away by saying that God was just pretending he was planning (for example) to kill all the Israelites and make Moses&#8217; descendants into a new Israel.  That may be true.  But I think our prayers allow God to do things he could not otherwise do.  Have you read the novels of Frank Perretti?  They&#8217;re all about what he calls &#8220;prayer cover.&#8221;  Obviously not scripture, but I think there&#8217;s a lot of wisdom in that.</p>
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		By: Vinnie MacIssac		</title>
		<link>https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-162</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 21:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-161&quot;&gt;Andrew Adams&lt;/a&gt;.

Anytime! 
It is all for the King!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-161">Andrew Adams</a>.</p>
<p>Anytime!<br />
It is all for the King!</p>
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		By: Andrew Adams		</title>
		<link>https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-161</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 15:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-160&quot;&gt;Vinnie MacIssac&lt;/a&gt;.

thanks man!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-160">Vinnie MacIssac</a>.</p>
<p>thanks man!</p>
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		By: Vinnie MacIssac		</title>
		<link>https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-160</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 15:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-159&quot;&gt;Andrew Adams&lt;/a&gt;.

Cool. I&#039;ll add it to my prayer list.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-159">Andrew Adams</a>.</p>
<p>Cool. I&#8217;ll add it to my prayer list.</p>
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		By: Andrew Adams		</title>
		<link>https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-159</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 15:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-158&quot;&gt;Vinnie MacIssac&lt;/a&gt;.

We are in Galveston, TX]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-158">Vinnie MacIssac</a>.</p>
<p>We are in Galveston, TX</p>
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		By: Vinnie MacIssac		</title>
		<link>https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-158</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 15:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-157&quot;&gt;Andrew Adams&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL no one is always on point. ;) These are just somethings I happen to be thinking deeply about for a while, which is why I am writing on them. 
What city is your church praying for?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-157">Andrew Adams</a>.</p>
<p>LOL no one is always on point. 😉 These are just somethings I happen to be thinking deeply about for a while, which is why I am writing on them.<br />
What city is your church praying for?</p>
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		By: Andrew Adams		</title>
		<link>https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-157</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 15:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-156&quot;&gt;Vinnie MacIssac&lt;/a&gt;.

Amen! That&#039;s so true! You&#039;re always on point!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-156">Vinnie MacIssac</a>.</p>
<p>Amen! That&#8217;s so true! You&#8217;re always on point!</p>
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		By: Vinnie MacIssac		</title>
		<link>https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-156</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vinnie MacIssac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 10:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-155&quot;&gt;Andrew Adams&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;d suggest that they coincide because, in order to break into your churches, cities, etc, you need to break into yourself. God needs to change and prepare you and your people for that to happen. And he can only change and prepare you to lead change when you understand his will and direction better and that is what Prayer is all about!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-155">Andrew Adams</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest that they coincide because, in order to break into your churches, cities, etc, you need to break into yourself. God needs to change and prepare you and your people for that to happen. And he can only change and prepare you to lead change when you understand his will and direction better and that is what Prayer is all about!</p>
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		By: Andrew Adams		</title>
		<link>https://simplyvinnie.com/prayer/#comment-155</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2018 22:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Man, great post! It&#039;s funny for me because I direct a House of Prayer! We pray 17 hours a week currently, yet I&#039;m pretty calvinistic in my beliefs! I totally believe in our sovereign God, yet I totally believe that He wants us to cry out to Him to break into our cities, churches, etc. and see Him do great things that only He can do! I think it matters how much we pray, how much we believe, how committed we are, etc. even though He is sovereign. How do these coincide? Not sure but they do!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, great post! It&#8217;s funny for me because I direct a House of Prayer! We pray 17 hours a week currently, yet I&#8217;m pretty calvinistic in my beliefs! I totally believe in our sovereign God, yet I totally believe that He wants us to cry out to Him to break into our cities, churches, etc. and see Him do great things that only He can do! I think it matters how much we pray, how much we believe, how committed we are, etc. even though He is sovereign. How do these coincide? Not sure but they do!</p>
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